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	<title>Comments on: Jeffrey&#8217;s &#8220;Data Plot&#8221; Lightroom Plugin</title>
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	<description>Not a photo blog. A personal blog with photos.</description>
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		<title>By: David Drufke</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-45171</link>
		<dc:creator>David Drufke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried with lightroom 4, using newest version available.  Data plot didn&#039;t include all focal lengths, for example, it give data from 14-24, skips to 28-30, skips again from 42-43, again to 56-67, etc.  About a quarter of shots were from a 50mm prime on full frame, so there are photos taken with the lengths not included.

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;It took me forever to find it... one single vowel mistyped in a variable name made all the difference. I just pushed a version that should work. Thanks for the report. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried with lightroom 4, using newest version available.  Data plot didn&#8217;t include all focal lengths, for example, it give data from 14-24, skips to 28-30, skips again from 42-43, again to 56-67, etc.  About a quarter of shots were from a 50mm prime on full frame, so there are photos taken with the lengths not included.</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>It took me forever to find it&#8230; one single vowel mistyped in a variable name made all the difference. I just pushed a version that should work. Thanks for the report. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: MaxG</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-44427</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I thought I give this plug-in a go...

It works!

... but ...

It turns out it processes the photos in the grid, and throws an error: “no photos had 35mm-equiv focal-length data” ... when the images are shot with a Canon 60D :)

Any information you need to add this camera to your crop table?

Cheers, Max -- Brisbane, Australia

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Just pushed a new version that should handle your 60D shots. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I thought I give this plug-in a go&#8230;</p>
<p>It works!</p>
<p>&#8230; but &#8230;</p>
<p>It turns out it processes the photos in the grid, and throws an error: “no photos had 35mm-equiv focal-length data” &#8230; when the images are shot with a Canon 60D <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Any information you need to add this camera to your crop table?</p>
<p>Cheers, Max &#8212; Brisbane, Australia</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Just pushed a new version that should handle your 60D shots. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-44217</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, for this greate Plugin and the further development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, for this greate Plugin and the further development.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-44033</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the current version does not know my Canon EOS 60D with crop-factor 1.6. Is it possible to add this camera to the database?

Thanks and greetings from Germany, keep up your great work,
Christian

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Oops, I pushed out a version with this three months ago, but neglected to let you know, sorry. It&#039;s there now. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the current version does not know my Canon EOS 60D with crop-factor 1.6. Is it possible to add this camera to the database?</p>
<p>Thanks and greetings from Germany, keep up your great work,<br />
Christian</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Oops, I pushed out a version with this three months ago, but neglected to let you know, sorry. It&#8217;s there now. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wan</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-41705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrific plugin; though it could probably be coded/written abit better. I don&#039;t see how reading and sorting meta-data could be so slow. It&#039;s not even crunching my CPU or HDD... Hopefully it&#039;ll return something on my huge set... and give me physical evidence to go and splurge on a lens in my favourite focal range...

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;If you tried writing a plugin using the limited API that Adobe provides, you&#039;d see how it can be so slow. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrific plugin; though it could probably be coded/written abit better. I don&#8217;t see how reading and sorting meta-data could be so slow. It&#8217;s not even crunching my CPU or HDD&#8230; Hopefully it&#8217;ll return something on my huge set&#8230; and give me physical evidence to go and splurge on a lens in my favourite focal range&#8230;</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>If you tried writing a plugin using the limited API that Adobe provides, you&#8217;d see how it can be so slow. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ogden</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-40806</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great &quot;self-awareness&quot; tool. 

A terrific adjunct would be a similar plot of orientation (ie, vertical/portrait, horizontal/landscape, square)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great &#8220;self-awareness&#8221; tool. </p>
<p>A terrific adjunct would be a similar plot of orientation (ie, vertical/portrait, horizontal/landscape, square)!</p>
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		<title>By: JPS</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-38907</link>
		<dc:creator>JPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ! Congrats on your program !

Just one question: does it also works with RAW anf TIF files, or only with JPG (like ExposurePlot) ?

TIA to let me know...

Regards,
J-P.

PS. I&#039;m in Geneva, Switzerland

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;It works with your Lightroom catalog, so if Lightroom knows the focal length, so does the plugin. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ! Congrats on your program !</p>
<p>Just one question: does it also works with RAW anf TIF files, or only with JPG (like ExposurePlot) ?</p>
<p>TIA to let me know&#8230;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
J-P.</p>
<p>PS. I&#8217;m in Geneva, Switzerland</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>It works with your Lightroom catalog, so if Lightroom knows the focal length, so does the plugin. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Filip</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-38148</link>
		<dc:creator>Filip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I&#039;m triing out your data-plot plugin but when I check my  Panasonic FZ30 pictures I see in the dropdown more than 1 entry for the FZ30 with different crop factors (4,9 - 5 - 5,1 - 7,5).

The FZ30 has a lens of 7,4-88,8 mm wich is equivalent to 35-420 mm so the cropfactor is 4,73 (4,729729729729... to be more precise)

Now you can choose a lower resolution where the FZ30 only uses the center of the sensor and so seems to have a bigger cropfactor but that is in reality only a crop of the bigger picture so (in my opinion) nothing to use in your calculations.

You say you use a database of camera&#039;s to calculate the 35mm equivalent but I suppose that it is buildin the plugin and that the user has no acces to it to add/remove entries?

Many thanks in advance,

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;If it were using only part of the sensor for the smaller images, it &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be a bigger crop, but it&#039;s downsizing from the full sensor to create the smaller image, and hence the crop factor is the same, but gets calculated incorrectly, which is the real problem you&#039;re reporting.  The problem is that the plugin can&#039;t tell the difference between an image that&#039;s been cropped, and an image that&#039;s just smaller out of camera. I suppose it makes sense to assume it&#039;s smaller out of camera and let it be wrong if it&#039;s been cropped before loading into LR... I&#039;ll look to see whether I can do that. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m triing out your data-plot plugin but when I check my  Panasonic FZ30 pictures I see in the dropdown more than 1 entry for the FZ30 with different crop factors (4,9 &#8211; 5 &#8211; 5,1 &#8211; 7,5).</p>
<p>The FZ30 has a lens of 7,4-88,8 mm wich is equivalent to 35-420 mm so the cropfactor is 4,73 (4,729729729729&#8230; to be more precise)</p>
<p>Now you can choose a lower resolution where the FZ30 only uses the center of the sensor and so seems to have a bigger cropfactor but that is in reality only a crop of the bigger picture so (in my opinion) nothing to use in your calculations.</p>
<p>You say you use a database of camera&#8217;s to calculate the 35mm equivalent but I suppose that it is buildin the plugin and that the user has no acces to it to add/remove entries?</p>
<p>Many thanks in advance,</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>If it were using only part of the sensor for the smaller images, it <i>would</i> be a bigger crop, but it&#8217;s downsizing from the full sensor to create the smaller image, and hence the crop factor is the same, but gets calculated incorrectly, which is the real problem you&#8217;re reporting.  The problem is that the plugin can&#8217;t tell the difference between an image that&#8217;s been cropped, and an image that&#8217;s just smaller out of camera. I suppose it makes sense to assume it&#8217;s smaller out of camera and let it be wrong if it&#8217;s been cropped before loading into LR&#8230; I&#8217;ll look to see whether I can do that. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: George Kindt</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-37483</link>
		<dc:creator>George Kindt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey,
I have been playing with Data Plot and graphing with Excel.  It has shown me some interesting things about lens use.  Makes one wonder why I bought some of them.... I always like a neat program... keep up the good work. Thanks.

I first tried doing a &quot;Screen Print&quot;, but all I got was the background of LR2, not the Data Plot (it&#039;s really labeled &quot;Jeffrey&#039;s Focal-Lenght Plot&quot;).  Not sure why this happens.  Press Print SCRN and the Data Plot panel vanishes, &quot;click&quot;, the screen print happens, the data plot comes back on top.  What gets saved is the LR2 panel.

In playing around for a day or so and looking at what I wanted out of it I found, at least for me, some &quot;Nice to Have&quot; ideas for the way I did my graphs.  Yes, I realize &quot;Easier Said Than Done&quot;... 

I do the Data Plot then do a Save Data to generate the CSVs.  Then on to Excel (since I could not print screen it).

First thing I had to do was delete the blank lines after I opened the CSV in Excel (2000).  Would be nice if the blank lines were not there.

Then I converted the StartMM and EndMM to the normal lens values.  Just divided the values by 1.5 because the output of Save Data converts (or uses) 35mm equivelent.  Know you are working on this.  Great if it was the same choices as on the screen plot.

Then I created a new column of data that was a Range in mm, using the StartMM and EndMM converted data.  Just like on the Data Plot.  Would be nice if you had a column in the CSV giving range.

I would like to see nice rounded values in the StartMM EndMM and RangeMM areas.  Values in multiples of 5, 10, 25, etc. Nice round numbers.  Currently you might have a value of 189 or 193.  How about these falling in a 185-200 range.  I had lots of odd ball numbers on my plots.  This would be a &quot;Nice to Have&quot; but most likely is a &quot;Easier Said Than Done&quot; item.

Thanks again for neat programs.  Not to mention a neat website.

George Kindt, W0MKZ
Loveland, CO USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,<br />
I have been playing with Data Plot and graphing with Excel.  It has shown me some interesting things about lens use.  Makes one wonder why I bought some of them&#8230;. I always like a neat program&#8230; keep up the good work. Thanks.</p>
<p>I first tried doing a &#8220;Screen Print&#8221;, but all I got was the background of LR2, not the Data Plot (it&#8217;s really labeled &#8220;Jeffrey&#8217;s Focal-Lenght Plot&#8221;).  Not sure why this happens.  Press Print SCRN and the Data Plot panel vanishes, &#8220;click&#8221;, the screen print happens, the data plot comes back on top.  What gets saved is the LR2 panel.</p>
<p>In playing around for a day or so and looking at what I wanted out of it I found, at least for me, some &#8220;Nice to Have&#8221; ideas for the way I did my graphs.  Yes, I realize &#8220;Easier Said Than Done&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>I do the Data Plot then do a Save Data to generate the CSVs.  Then on to Excel (since I could not print screen it).</p>
<p>First thing I had to do was delete the blank lines after I opened the CSV in Excel (2000).  Would be nice if the blank lines were not there.</p>
<p>Then I converted the StartMM and EndMM to the normal lens values.  Just divided the values by 1.5 because the output of Save Data converts (or uses) 35mm equivelent.  Know you are working on this.  Great if it was the same choices as on the screen plot.</p>
<p>Then I created a new column of data that was a Range in mm, using the StartMM and EndMM converted data.  Just like on the Data Plot.  Would be nice if you had a column in the CSV giving range.</p>
<p>I would like to see nice rounded values in the StartMM EndMM and RangeMM areas.  Values in multiples of 5, 10, 25, etc. Nice round numbers.  Currently you might have a value of 189 or 193.  How about these falling in a 185-200 range.  I had lots of odd ball numbers on my plots.  This would be a &#8220;Nice to Have&#8221; but most likely is a &#8220;Easier Said Than Done&#8221; item.</p>
<p>Thanks again for neat programs.  Not to mention a neat website.</p>
<p>George Kindt, W0MKZ<br />
Loveland, CO USA</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Medeiros</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/data-plot#comment-37338</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Medeiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another great plugin. 

Using this in combination with built in LR filters really helps me understand which lenses produce the most pleasing shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another great plugin. </p>
<p>Using this in combination with built in LR filters really helps me understand which lenses produce the most pleasing shots.</p>
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