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	<title>Comments on: Finally, Geoencoding in Lightroom! Announcing my GPS-Support Plugin</title>
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		<title>By: Judith Nicholls</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-44873</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith Nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  GPS Support

I am a refugee from Microsoft Pro Photo Tools which has recently stopped providing reverse GPS (at least for me).  I used it because it was the only product I could find that provided street level information.  

After a mostly fruitless search, I found your LR plugin.  Wonderful!

However, I have a suggestion.  You fill out the sublocation field  as the entire &quot;address&quot;.  What I want and need is only the street level address part, like Pro Photo Tools did.  Geosetter also only puts the lowest level information there  (sometimes useful but mostly just a repeat of the city).    

 but I would really prefer the sublocation to be the sublocation as I understand it should be.    Here is the IPTC description:

&quot;Enter the name of the location shown in the image. This sublocation name could be the name of a specific area within a city (Manhattan) or the name of a well-known location (Pyramids of Giza) or (natural) monument outside a city (Grand Canyon). Sublocation is the most specific term, at the fourth level of a top-down geographical hierarchy if it is inside a city or at the third level if outside a city.&quot;

I have a number of scripts that rely on these all being parts of the total address, which of course could be rewritten with some effort.   But mostly I don&#039;t believe this concatenation is what sublocation should contain.  

Thanks for all your work to provide much-needed tools for Lightroom!

Judy

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be able to make that change... the code is very fragile, owning to the really vague nature of reverse geocoding to begin with, a compounded by the wide variety of location types throughout the world, all mixed in with a healthy dose of randomness from Google that can&#039;t be easily explained. The plugin is using an old Google API, and perhaps it&#039;ll be more regular when I upgrade, but for now I&#039;m reticent to touch that code. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  GPS Support</p>
<p>I am a refugee from Microsoft Pro Photo Tools which has recently stopped providing reverse GPS (at least for me).  I used it because it was the only product I could find that provided street level information.  </p>
<p>After a mostly fruitless search, I found your LR plugin.  Wonderful!</p>
<p>However, I have a suggestion.  You fill out the sublocation field  as the entire &#8220;address&#8221;.  What I want and need is only the street level address part, like Pro Photo Tools did.  Geosetter also only puts the lowest level information there  (sometimes useful but mostly just a repeat of the city).    </p>
<p> but I would really prefer the sublocation to be the sublocation as I understand it should be.    Here is the IPTC description:</p>
<p>&#8220;Enter the name of the location shown in the image. This sublocation name could be the name of a specific area within a city (Manhattan) or the name of a well-known location (Pyramids of Giza) or (natural) monument outside a city (Grand Canyon). Sublocation is the most specific term, at the fourth level of a top-down geographical hierarchy if it is inside a city or at the third level if outside a city.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a number of scripts that rely on these all being parts of the total address, which of course could be rewritten with some effort.   But mostly I don&#8217;t believe this concatenation is what sublocation should contain.  </p>
<p>Thanks for all your work to provide much-needed tools for Lightroom!</p>
<p>Judy</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be able to make that change&#8230; the code is very fragile, owning to the really vague nature of reverse geocoding to begin with, a compounded by the wide variety of location types throughout the world, all mixed in with a healthy dose of randomness from Google that can&#8217;t be easily explained. The plugin is using an old Google API, and perhaps it&#8217;ll be more regular when I upgrade, but for now I&#8217;m reticent to touch that code. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: MaxG</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-44289</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jeffrey,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

As for a) I thought the GPS log contains the right time; when adding the GPS coordinates it could update the time stamp at the same time, based on the &quot;Compensate for the camera&#039;s clock&quot; value (not the fuzziness value).
More detailed: I already know the compensation value; why use LR to adjust, when I geo-encode and know the difference that need to be applied.

When you say: &quot;The “compensate…” option in the tracklog tab is for people too lazy to do it the right way.&quot; Are you implying that I should change the time of the images first (after I have established the time difference), and then use your plug-in to add the lon/lat?

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Yes. Better still would be to just set your camer&#039;s clock properly, but if you hadn&#039;t and realize the mistake while in Lightroom, use Lightroom&#039;s normal facilities to fix the time. Lightroom doesn&#039;t let a plugin update the time. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;

Hence, where I am coming from: I tell the plug-in the time difference, and it updates the lat/lon as well as corrects the time stamp in one go :)

It seems a workflow thing; I am an automation guy :) let the computer do whatever it can LOL

No worries, just a thought and bouncing ideas...

Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
MaxG, Brisbane, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Thank you for your speedy reply.</p>
<p>As for a) I thought the GPS log contains the right time; when adding the GPS coordinates it could update the time stamp at the same time, based on the &#8220;Compensate for the camera&#8217;s clock&#8221; value (not the fuzziness value).<br />
More detailed: I already know the compensation value; why use LR to adjust, when I geo-encode and know the difference that need to be applied.</p>
<p>When you say: &#8220;The “compensate…” option in the tracklog tab is for people too lazy to do it the right way.&#8221; Are you implying that I should change the time of the images first (after I have established the time difference), and then use your plug-in to add the lon/lat?</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Yes. Better still would be to just set your camer&#8217;s clock properly, but if you hadn&#8217;t and realize the mistake while in Lightroom, use Lightroom&#8217;s normal facilities to fix the time. Lightroom doesn&#8217;t let a plugin update the time. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
<p>Hence, where I am coming from: I tell the plug-in the time difference, and it updates the lat/lon as well as corrects the time stamp in one go <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It seems a workflow thing; I am an automation guy <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  let the computer do whatever it can LOL</p>
<p>No worries, just a thought and bouncing ideas&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
MaxG, Brisbane, Australia</p>
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		<title>By: MaxG</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-44285</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey,

Thank you for a great plug-in!
I read the docu and screens and wonder about the following:
a) Why is the image taken time stamp not adjusted to the GPS track log? I did not see it changing when geo-coding the selected images. What am I missing? And in case the plug-in does not do it, are you planning to implement this feature? -- I feel silly overlooking something :o)
b) Is there a way to get the location info (populated via reverse Google geo server) into the keywords?
c) Maybe b) can be expanded with a config dialog, as in which field goes where in the keyword tree. Example: I use Word location &#124; Continent &#124; Australia &#124; Far-North Queensland &#124; Cairns, compared to AU&#124; Australia &#124; Cairns.

To come back to this great plug-in... it demonstrates how some simple lon / lat information can become so much more with all the linkages you have established. Simply great work!!

Cheers,
MaxG, Brisbane, Australia

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;I don&#039;t know what you mean in item &quot;a)&quot;... why should the image&#039;s time be adjusted by the plugin? If the image&#039;s time is incorrect, it&#039;s probably a good idea to correct it whether you&#039;re going to geoencode or not, but geoencoding will be wrong if your camera clock was incorrect and you don&#039;t fix it. (The &quot;compensate...&quot; option in the tracklog tab is for people too lazy to do it the right way.)    As for &quot;b)&quot; and &quot;c)&quot;, there&#039;s no interaction with keywords. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Thank you for a great plug-in!<br />
I read the docu and screens and wonder about the following:<br />
a) Why is the image taken time stamp not adjusted to the GPS track log? I did not see it changing when geo-coding the selected images. What am I missing? And in case the plug-in does not do it, are you planning to implement this feature? &#8212; I feel silly overlooking something <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
b) Is there a way to get the location info (populated via reverse Google geo server) into the keywords?<br />
c) Maybe b) can be expanded with a config dialog, as in which field goes where in the keyword tree. Example: I use Word location | Continent | Australia | Far-North Queensland | Cairns, compared to AU| Australia | Cairns.</p>
<p>To come back to this great plug-in&#8230; it demonstrates how some simple lon / lat information can become so much more with all the linkages you have established. Simply great work!!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
MaxG, Brisbane, Australia</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>I don&#8217;t know what you mean in item &#8220;a)&#8221;&#8230; why should the image&#8217;s time be adjusted by the plugin? If the image&#8217;s time is incorrect, it&#8217;s probably a good idea to correct it whether you&#8217;re going to geoencode or not, but geoencoding will be wrong if your camera clock was incorrect and you don&#8217;t fix it. (The &#8220;compensate&#8230;&#8221; option in the tracklog tab is for people too lazy to do it the right way.)    As for &#8220;b)&#8221; and &#8220;c)&#8221;, there&#8217;s no interaction with keywords. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Nose</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-44184</link>
		<dc:creator>Nose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 09:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jeffrey,
thanks for yet another great plugin!
As far as I understand, you match a photo&#039;s timestamp to the trackpoint with the &quot;closest&quot; timestamp.
Well sometimes you don&#039;t have a gps reading or something else happened (run through a tunnel, ride a train whose windows dont allow gps reception, ...) and you might end up having hours without trackpoints.
Thus my feature suggestion: Add an &quot;interpolation threshold it&quot;, if the timely distance to the nearest trackpoint is larger than it, find the next trackpoint with negative sign (i.e. find past+future) and interpolate the current coordinate as a fraction between the two. (Of course if user wants the old behaviour he/she can switch the new one off)
what do you think?
Cheers      Gernot

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;The plugin has always done exactly that. I use the term &quot;fuzziness&quot; for what you call &quot;interpolation threshold&quot;. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jeffrey,<br />
thanks for yet another great plugin!<br />
As far as I understand, you match a photo&#8217;s timestamp to the trackpoint with the &#8220;closest&#8221; timestamp.<br />
Well sometimes you don&#8217;t have a gps reading or something else happened (run through a tunnel, ride a train whose windows dont allow gps reception, &#8230;) and you might end up having hours without trackpoints.<br />
Thus my feature suggestion: Add an &#8220;interpolation threshold it&#8221;, if the timely distance to the nearest trackpoint is larger than it, find the next trackpoint with negative sign (i.e. find past+future) and interpolate the current coordinate as a fraction between the two. (Of course if user wants the old behaviour he/she can switch the new one off)<br />
what do you think?<br />
Cheers      Gernot</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>The plugin has always done exactly that. I use the term &#8220;fuzziness&#8221; for what you call &#8220;interpolation threshold&#8221;. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-43353</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried using GPSBabel on my Mac using the Config option.
I installed the GPSbabel.dmg successfully.
However when I select the GPSBabel file, the plugin rejects it saying it&#039;s not the valid executable.
How to solve this?

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;I don&#039;t know what gets installed with your dmg, but if it&#039;s an app, you&#039;d need to point the plugin at the actual executable within it. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried using GPSBabel on my Mac using the Config option.<br />
I installed the GPSbabel.dmg successfully.<br />
However when I select the GPSBabel file, the plugin rejects it saying it&#8217;s not the valid executable.<br />
How to solve this?</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>I don&#8217;t know what gets installed with your dmg, but if it&#8217;s an app, you&#8217;d need to point the plugin at the actual executable within it. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-43351</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey
I have been using both your GPS-Support and Proximity search plugins, I love them, they are so useful, I just have one question. Is it possible to clear the GPS shadow data? some how I seem to have added the same location to all the images in my LR catalogue and now I can&#039;t export the locations to google earth.
thanks
Andrew

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;I don&#039;t quite understand the reference to Google Earth, but you can clear the shadow data from the Geoencoding Dialog&#039;s &quot;Un-Encode&#039; tab. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey<br />
I have been using both your GPS-Support and Proximity search plugins, I love them, they are so useful, I just have one question. Is it possible to clear the GPS shadow data? some how I seem to have added the same location to all the images in my LR catalogue and now I can&#8217;t export the locations to google earth.<br />
thanks<br />
Andrew</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>I don&#8217;t quite understand the reference to Google Earth, but you can clear the shadow data from the Geoencoding Dialog&#8217;s &#8220;Un-Encode&#8217; tab. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Meestermole</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-43253</link>
		<dc:creator>Meestermole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 01:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I&#039;ve been thinking about something like this for a while! I have no coding experience, but what I do have is tens of thousands of photos that i have taken on hikes and the corresponding GPX data from my Garmin! I love you! I can&#039;t wait to try this!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#8217;ve been thinking about something like this for a while! I have no coding experience, but what I do have is tens of thousands of photos that i have taken on hikes and the corresponding GPX data from my Garmin! I love you! I can&#8217;t wait to try this!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary K</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-43042</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 06:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I am looking in to various options for adding geotagging to my photos in LR3. I see that there are several iPhone apps for this in addition to your LR plug- in. What are the pros/cons or differences of your plug in vs GPS4cam or Geoagphotos apps?  I am just looking for easiest way to do this as part of my LR3 workflow. Thanks.

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Ideally you&#039;d want to use the plugin with a tracklog made while you took the photos, and so an iPhone app might be used to create the tracklog (though I&#039;m not familiar with those apps in particular). Personally I use a dedicated GPS unit, but plenty use iPhone-created tracklogs successfully. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I am looking in to various options for adding geotagging to my photos in LR3. I see that there are several iPhone apps for this in addition to your LR plug- in. What are the pros/cons or differences of your plug in vs GPS4cam or Geoagphotos apps?  I am just looking for easiest way to do this as part of my LR3 workflow. Thanks.</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Ideally you&#8217;d want to use the plugin with a tracklog made while you took the photos, and so an iPhone app might be used to create the tracklog (though I&#8217;m not familiar with those apps in particular). Personally I use a dedicated GPS unit, but plenty use iPhone-created tracklogs successfully. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-42059</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey,
I apologize if this has been covered in the multiple pages of comments, but I have been checking out your GPS encoder, which I absolutely love. (I have been using Geosetter, so I still don&#039;t know what is different between yours and it, but I love your other plugins) Anyway, what I was wondering is how to Reverse Geoencode multiple images (without producing a bulk reverse geoencode) For instance if I&#039;ve been out shooting and come back I&#039;d like to select all photos, and then go to the &quot;Interactive&quot; tab and click on &quot;Open Interactive One-by-one Geoencoding and Reverse Geoencoding Dialog&quot; and then I wish there was a &quot;Click all City, Etc...from GPS&quot; button, instead of having to click through each photo to reverse Geoencode. Obviously, if I click &quot;Bulk Reverse Geoencode&quot; it will mark all of my photos as if they are in the same location, which may not be the case. Any help or future time saving tips are welcome. 

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;&quot;Bulk Reverse Geoencode&quot; treats each photo individually.&lt;/span&gt;

The second suggestion has to do with once you have clicked the &quot;City, Etc... from GPS&quot; button within the &quot;Interactive&quot; tab, I wish that the address that typically populates above the &quot;Location&quot; block would automatically fill in the &quot;Location&quot; block. Right now I am having to manually highlight the address, and then copy and paste it into the &quot;Location&quot;block. Any help or future time saving tips are welcome....

Thanks again for all your help and plugins.....you truly have a passion that is inspiring to many across the world. Keep it up!

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Google&#039;s data is very fuzzy for the address/location, so it&#039;s hard to be consistent... sometimes the plugin &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; fill in the location data, but it all depends on how the data is returned by Google. I&#039;ve made some adjustments and so the next version of the plugin will be a bit more aggressive about filling in the location field with something. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,<br />
I apologize if this has been covered in the multiple pages of comments, but I have been checking out your GPS encoder, which I absolutely love. (I have been using Geosetter, so I still don&#8217;t know what is different between yours and it, but I love your other plugins) Anyway, what I was wondering is how to Reverse Geoencode multiple images (without producing a bulk reverse geoencode) For instance if I&#8217;ve been out shooting and come back I&#8217;d like to select all photos, and then go to the &#8220;Interactive&#8221; tab and click on &#8220;Open Interactive One-by-one Geoencoding and Reverse Geoencoding Dialog&#8221; and then I wish there was a &#8220;Click all City, Etc&#8230;from GPS&#8221; button, instead of having to click through each photo to reverse Geoencode. Obviously, if I click &#8220;Bulk Reverse Geoencode&#8221; it will mark all of my photos as if they are in the same location, which may not be the case. Any help or future time saving tips are welcome. </p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>&#8220;Bulk Reverse Geoencode&#8221; treats each photo individually.</span></p>
<p>The second suggestion has to do with once you have clicked the &#8220;City, Etc&#8230; from GPS&#8221; button within the &#8220;Interactive&#8221; tab, I wish that the address that typically populates above the &#8220;Location&#8221; block would automatically fill in the &#8220;Location&#8221; block. Right now I am having to manually highlight the address, and then copy and paste it into the &#8220;Location&#8221;block. Any help or future time saving tips are welcome&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks again for all your help and plugins&#8230;..you truly have a passion that is inspiring to many across the world. Keep it up!</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Google&#8217;s data is very fuzzy for the address/location, so it&#8217;s hard to be consistent&#8230; sometimes the plugin <i>does</i> fill in the location data, but it all depends on how the data is returned by Google. I&#8217;ve made some adjustments and so the next version of the plugin will be a bit more aggressive about filling in the location field with something. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2008-10-29/979#comment-41891</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be awesome if this plugin allowed functionality like Picassa for tagging - just select the photos then click Geo-Tag, it opens google earth with a set of crosshairs - just pick the location and click done and it returns to picassa with the photo(s) tagged

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;You can essentially do the same thing with the plugin&#039;s &quot;Geoencode selected photos from Google Earth&quot; feature. On a Mac you can even set a keyboard shortcut for it so that simply tapping one key combo and the currently-selected image is geoencoded with the current location from Earth. It&#039;s about as seemless an integration as Lightroom allows. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be awesome if this plugin allowed functionality like Picassa for tagging &#8211; just select the photos then click Geo-Tag, it opens google earth with a set of crosshairs &#8211; just pick the location and click done and it returns to picassa with the photo(s) tagged</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>You can essentially do the same thing with the plugin&#8217;s &#8220;Geoencode selected photos from Google Earth&#8221; feature. On a Mac you can even set a keyboard shortcut for it so that simply tapping one key combo and the currently-selected image is geoencoded with the current location from Earth. It&#8217;s about as seemless an integration as Lightroom allows. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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