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		<title>By: irawan</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-45154</link>
		<dc:creator>irawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice review. It helps me much to choose between ETrex and 60 series.
I&#039;ll buy eTrex Vista HCx 
Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice review. It helps me much to choose between ETrex and 60 series.<br />
I&#8217;ll buy eTrex Vista HCx<br />
Thanks <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Galen</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-43759</link>
		<dc:creator>Galen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great comparison.

Regarding the time differential between the two units, it is indeed true that the time must be known very accurately in the navigation &lt;strong&gt;computation&lt;/strong&gt; in order to get accurate position. One meter of position error is roughly equal to 3 nanoseconds of time error. However, there may be a delay in &lt;strong&gt;displaying&lt;/strong&gt; the time (and position) on one device and not so much in the other, so that they show different times. Rest assured, somwhere inside the receiver, the time is accuratly known. One cannot easily be certain, but the timestamp in the track log is probably taken from the same computations that produce the position, so it probably accurately represents the time you were at the recorded position.

Regarding the displayed accuracy, my experience is that there is no consistent convention on the meaning of &quot;accuracy&quot; or how it should be determined. It&#039;s a statistical thing and there are always many ways to do the statistics. GPS manufacturers use signal strength, number of satellites, satellite geometry and other parameters to estimate the uncertainty in the reported position, but there are factors beyound their ability to measure that play into the errors, too, such as signals that get reflected off of buildings and therefore travel farther to get from the satellite to the receiver (known as &lt;em&gt;multipath&lt;/em&gt;). Differential corrections such as from WAAS can only help with certain error sources; they definitely do not help with multipath nor with low signal strength. All this is a long-winded way to say that the &quot;accuracy&quot; reported by the different receivers may not be accurate, itself. So the Legend HCx may actually be more accurate than the 60 CS but may be more conservative the accuracy number it displays. For the record, achieving 1 meter accuracy with a consumer grade receiver, even with WAAS corrections is unlikely; I suspect the 60CS is just optimistic.

One way to get a better idea of a receiver&#039;s true accuracy is to leave it in a fixed location for several hours, then look at the variation in the position reported in the track log. All the apparent motion is due to error. If you plot the track log in Google Earth or a similar tool, the spread of the points gives you an idea of the true accuracy. Compare that with the accuracy reported by the unit while you were collecting the data. Now you have an idea of how trustrworthy the reported accuracy really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comparison.</p>
<p>Regarding the time differential between the two units, it is indeed true that the time must be known very accurately in the navigation <strong>computation</strong> in order to get accurate position. One meter of position error is roughly equal to 3 nanoseconds of time error. However, there may be a delay in <strong>displaying</strong> the time (and position) on one device and not so much in the other, so that they show different times. Rest assured, somwhere inside the receiver, the time is accuratly known. One cannot easily be certain, but the timestamp in the track log is probably taken from the same computations that produce the position, so it probably accurately represents the time you were at the recorded position.</p>
<p>Regarding the displayed accuracy, my experience is that there is no consistent convention on the meaning of &#8220;accuracy&#8221; or how it should be determined. It&#8217;s a statistical thing and there are always many ways to do the statistics. GPS manufacturers use signal strength, number of satellites, satellite geometry and other parameters to estimate the uncertainty in the reported position, but there are factors beyound their ability to measure that play into the errors, too, such as signals that get reflected off of buildings and therefore travel farther to get from the satellite to the receiver (known as <em>multipath</em>). Differential corrections such as from WAAS can only help with certain error sources; they definitely do not help with multipath nor with low signal strength. All this is a long-winded way to say that the &#8220;accuracy&#8221; reported by the different receivers may not be accurate, itself. So the Legend HCx may actually be more accurate than the 60 CS but may be more conservative the accuracy number it displays. For the record, achieving 1 meter accuracy with a consumer grade receiver, even with WAAS corrections is unlikely; I suspect the 60CS is just optimistic.</p>
<p>One way to get a better idea of a receiver&#8217;s true accuracy is to leave it in a fixed location for several hours, then look at the variation in the position reported in the track log. All the apparent motion is due to error. If you plot the track log in Google Earth or a similar tool, the spread of the points gives you an idea of the true accuracy. Compare that with the accuracy reported by the unit while you were collecting the data. Now you have an idea of how trustrworthy the reported accuracy really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-41816</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks, Jeffrey -- my new challenge for 2011&#039;s photos!

Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Jeffrey &#8212; my new challenge for 2011&#8242;s photos!</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-41791</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey,
Taking your advice, getting a Garmin eTrex.  I want to get the Vista HCx to get the compass, which I believe the Legend does not have.  Will your software for LR work with Vista data?

Second, I can&#039;t seem to find information on the microSD capacity for the Vista -- memory is cheap, but I hate to buy a 4Gb when the unit could handle an 8Gb (or larger).  Advice?

As soon as I get the Garmin, I&#039;m downloading your software (and donating to you) -- Thanks!

Frank
&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;The plugin handles standard GPX files, which I&#039;m sure all modern Garmen units produce, so you&#039;ll be fine.  I&#039;m also sure Garmin can tell you about maximum card size, but I can&#039;t imagine you&#039;d need much space for GPX files.... I once calculated that I could leave the thing on 1-second-interval recording for over a year and still not get close to filling up my 2GB card. Unless you&#039;re planning huge extra maps(?), even a 100-meg card should be fine for most uses. YMMV. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey,<br />
Taking your advice, getting a Garmin eTrex.  I want to get the Vista HCx to get the compass, which I believe the Legend does not have.  Will your software for LR work with Vista data?</p>
<p>Second, I can&#8217;t seem to find information on the microSD capacity for the Vista &#8212; memory is cheap, but I hate to buy a 4Gb when the unit could handle an 8Gb (or larger).  Advice?</p>
<p>As soon as I get the Garmin, I&#8217;m downloading your software (and donating to you) &#8212; Thanks!</p>
<p>Frank<br />
<span class='jfriedl'>The plugin handles standard GPX files, which I&#8217;m sure all modern Garmen units produce, so you&#8217;ll be fine.  I&#8217;m also sure Garmin can tell you about maximum card size, but I can&#8217;t imagine you&#8217;d need much space for GPX files&#8230;. I once calculated that I could leave the thing on 1-second-interval recording for over a year and still not get close to filling up my 2GB card. Unless you&#8217;re planning huge extra maps(?), even a 100-meg card should be fine for most uses. YMMV. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-38820</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey...  I was looking in to getting a dedicated GPS device just for geotagging my photos.  I&#039;m currently just using a GPS app on my blackberry for this but it isn&#039;t always reliable and certainly isn&#039;t all that accurate.  Have you looked into any other devices other than the one that you got?  I&#039;m asking because it seems like that device is a little over kill for what I need.  I mean, I literally only need something that will save a GPX file, I don&#039;t even need it to have a screen really.

Thanks,

Marc.

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;There are donge-type things that just have lights to indicate status.... anything with a modern antenna and a way to get the gpx file to the computer should be fine. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey&#8230;  I was looking in to getting a dedicated GPS device just for geotagging my photos.  I&#8217;m currently just using a GPS app on my blackberry for this but it isn&#8217;t always reliable and certainly isn&#8217;t all that accurate.  Have you looked into any other devices other than the one that you got?  I&#8217;m asking because it seems like that device is a little over kill for what I need.  I mean, I literally only need something that will save a GPX file, I don&#8217;t even need it to have a screen really.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Marc.</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>There are donge-type things that just have lights to indicate status&#8230;. anything with a modern antenna and a way to get the gpx file to the computer should be fine. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-38407</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Georgia, and I&#039;m considering the etrex legend hcx as a low-cost handheld GPS for emergencies, hiking, and road directions for when I&#039;m driving someone else&#039;s car.  According to the Garmin site, you can load roadmaps onto a miniSD card and the unit will give you turn-by-turn directions.

Have you tried this, and does it work well?  What I really need is the road navigation abilities of a windshield/dashboard unit with the battery life, ergonomics, and direct sunlight-viewable screen of a hiking GPS.

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;I have a map on my miniSD card, but I&#039;ve never tried turn-by-turn directions. I would think the map would have be be encoded specifically for that, and I&#039;m sure mine isn&#039;t, so I don&#039;t think a test on my side would be informative.  &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Georgia, and I&#8217;m considering the etrex legend hcx as a low-cost handheld GPS for emergencies, hiking, and road directions for when I&#8217;m driving someone else&#8217;s car.  According to the Garmin site, you can load roadmaps onto a miniSD card and the unit will give you turn-by-turn directions.</p>
<p>Have you tried this, and does it work well?  What I really need is the road navigation abilities of a windshield/dashboard unit with the battery life, ergonomics, and direct sunlight-viewable screen of a hiking GPS.</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>I have a map on my miniSD card, but I&#8217;ve never tried turn-by-turn directions. I would think the map would have be be encoded specifically for that, and I&#8217;m sure mine isn&#8217;t, so I don&#8217;t think a test on my side would be informative.  &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Elmer</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-36298</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent review, thanks! The side-by-side views are very helpful. I had the 60C at the top of my wish list, but now the cheaper Legend seems more to do just what I want, and for less :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent review, thanks! The side-by-side views are very helpful. I had the 60C at the top of my wish list, but now the cheaper Legend seems more to do just what I want, and for less <img src='http://regex.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-35385</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how to save a track.  What I would like to do is display the saved track on the map and follow the &quot;saved track&quot; so that I can repeat a hike.  In other words, I would like to be able to effectively edit the map by adding a new trail for the map (but an old trail for me) that I can follow.  I live on Vancouver Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how to save a track.  What I would like to do is display the saved track on the map and follow the &#8220;saved track&#8221; so that I can repeat a hike.  In other words, I would like to be able to effectively edit the map by adding a new trail for the map (but an old trail for me) that I can follow.  I live on Vancouver Island.</p>
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		<title>By: linus</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-35084</link>
		<dc:creator>linus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jeffrey,

I reached this useful website from google while I was searching GPS devices like Legend HCx because my camera (Fujifilm Finepix S3pro) doesn&#039;t have it.

What I&#039;m concerned is that I really don&#039;t want to hold this device while I&#039;m working or taking pictures. I rather put this device in my backpack, but I was wondering if this device is sensitive enough to receive signals even in the backpack. Have ever tested this? If this didn&#039;t work, how about a pocket? Thanks in advance!

&lt;span class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;Once it has a signal, it&#039;s fine in a backpack, camera bag, pocket, etc. I find that it gets a signal lock more quickly if in the open, but when I&#039;m in no rush, I just turn it on and throw it in the bag.  The biggest problem using it this way is to remember to turn it off when you get home... out of sight sometimes means out of mind, and you wake up the next day to find your batteries in need of replacement. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jeffrey,</p>
<p>I reached this useful website from google while I was searching GPS devices like Legend HCx because my camera (Fujifilm Finepix S3pro) doesn&#8217;t have it.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m concerned is that I really don&#8217;t want to hold this device while I&#8217;m working or taking pictures. I rather put this device in my backpack, but I was wondering if this device is sensitive enough to receive signals even in the backpack. Have ever tested this? If this didn&#8217;t work, how about a pocket? Thanks in advance!</p>
<p><span class='jfriedl'>Once it has a signal, it&#8217;s fine in a backpack, camera bag, pocket, etc. I find that it gets a signal lock more quickly if in the open, but when I&#8217;m in no rush, I just turn it on and throw it in the bag.  The biggest problem using it this way is to remember to turn it off when you get home&#8230; out of sight sometimes means out of mind, and you wake up the next day to find your batteries in need of replacement. &mdash;Jeffrey</span></p>
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		<title>By: Thorf</title>
		<link>http://regex.info/blog/2007-08-09/539#comment-24309</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey,

I&#039;m thinking about picking up some sort of GPS device before my wife and I fly back to Scotland for Christmas.  Any advice?  It sounds like you bought yours in the US, but do you have any idea about buying them in Japan?  I don&#039;t really know anything much about GPS, but I&#039;m fascinated by the whole idea and I&#039;d love to try it out.

&lt;div class=&#039;jfriedl&#039;&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you want to geoencode your photos the way I do (via syncing photos to a tracklog), then the important point is how big a tracklog the device can keep. Those that accept a memory card are best because they&#039;re limited by the size of the card (which, effectively, means that they&#039;re not limited).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You also want a unit with a modern &quot;high sensitivity&quot; antennas.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other features don&#039;t matter too much for geoencoding... things like a fancy color screen, driving directions, etc. You may find them fun on their own, but they don&#039;t take part in the geoencoding experience.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I bought mine in The States because I wanted an English interface, and an American price. From the little I looked around in Japan, they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; more expensive here. &#8212;Jeffrey&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about picking up some sort of GPS device before my wife and I fly back to Scotland for Christmas.  Any advice?  It sounds like you bought yours in the US, but do you have any idea about buying them in Japan?  I don&#8217;t really know anything much about GPS, but I&#8217;m fascinated by the whole idea and I&#8217;d love to try it out.</p>
<div class='jfriedl'>
<p>If you want to geoencode your photos the way I do (via syncing photos to a tracklog), then the important point is how big a tracklog the device can keep. Those that accept a memory card are best because they&#8217;re limited by the size of the card (which, effectively, means that they&#8217;re not limited).</p>
<p>You also want a unit with a modern &#8220;high sensitivity&#8221; antennas.</p>
<p>Other features don&#8217;t matter too much for geoencoding&#8230; things like a fancy color screen, driving directions, etc. You may find them fun on their own, but they don&#8217;t take part in the geoencoding experience.</p>
<p>I bought mine in The States because I wanted an English interface, and an American price. From the little I looked around in Japan, they&#8217;re <i>much</i> more expensive here. &mdash;Jeffrey</p>
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